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Wal-Mart mobilizes against Democrats: report

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Wal-Mart Stores Incis mobilizing U.S. store managers to lobby against Democrats in November's presidential election, The Wall Street Journal reported on Friday.

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in-halfdotcom

Interesting.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:27 AM EDT
in-halfdotcom

Honestly, if we really cared we would just stop buying all the useless plastic junk made overseas.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:27 AM EDT
Pfffft!

Unions = exported jobs

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:04 PM EDT
Florida_kes

Unions = exported jobs

Got to keep the top 2% as wealthy as possible, right?

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:36 PM EDT
FormerSGT

I guess if businesses are out to lose money, that would be perfect Florida Keys.

I guess what you can do is go but a house and have a mortgage for 1100. a month, and then rent it for 100 dollars and you pick up the rest of the tab. That makes a whole lot of sense right.......Morons.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
4awareness

Union jobs = exported jobs? You still believe that hype?

Have you taken notice of the job losses lately, jobs that have been "exported"? They were not "union jobs". Hate to break it to you, but businesses relocate out of this country where they can exploit workers, improve their profit margin, and enrich stockholders.

Europeans have labor unions, only difference is, the business owners and CEO's are not greedy tyrants like the ones here in the U.S.

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
kbmtexas

Of course Wal-Mart is going against the Dems, I'll bet about 10-20% of the economic stimulus money this year was spent in a Wal-Mart store. I personally boycott Wal-Mart because they have ruined America by destroying the retail infrastructure that made America strong, the family business!

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 3:18 PM EDT
fedupwithliberals

Granted, a good portion of the jobs lost overseas weren't union jobs (my DH just got laid off from Intel, and they're building a plant in China).

The companies WITH unions are simply cutting production and closing plants (i.e. GM and other auto manufacturers). The unions have been driving up wages for blue collar jobs for far too long. No one "deserves" to make $20/hr. for scanning my groceries; it's an entry level job, not a career. And while my insurance premiums and copays continue to rise, union workers are whining that they might actually have to pay something for health care at all.

While people want to blame Wal Mart for shutting down mom & pop businesses and keeping wages low, they seem to forget that in some areas people were having to pay premium prices for everything from groceries to clothing, or having to drive over an hour to get to a bigger town with more selection and lower prices.

Our retail infrastructure isn't what made America strong, it was innovation, motivation to succeed and hard work. Unions don't reward any of that. Seniority is all that matters. You can be the laziest person at your work site, but if you've been there the longest, you make the most money and get first pick at shifts.

Wal Mart actually rewards hard work, they pay a decent wage for the work done (again, not exactly a "high end" job), they offer benefits, they promote from within, and they give back to the community, all while providing low cost goods to consumers who desperately need to find ways to cut costs in this economy. It's ironic that the communities around me that cried the loudest about not wanting one in their neighborhood all seem to manage to fill the parking lots of their new Wal Mart.

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 4:05 PM EDT
4awareness

It is disturbing to me when a corporation can bring in such huge profits with no regard to the worker. I did a study about four years ago, nearly 40 percent of Wal-Mart employees were receiving federal assistance at that time.

I think I would rather see Wal-Mart, the largest private employer in the world, dole out a little more towards wages rather than having to seek assistance at the tax payer's expense. Not that their profit margin's wouldn't allow it.

When did we become so anti Middle-Class?

  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 5:20 PM EDT
fedupwithliberals

I didn't realize that those who work retail for a living were shooting for middle-class. If the Wal Mart employees that qualify for federal assistance check, I'm sure they would find that they qualify for all sorts of grants and loans for college. Perhaps then they might hope to make more money and receive better benefits elsewhere.

I worked my way through college (mostly night classes) while I held down a full-time job so that at some point I could have a better shot at making more money. It wasn't easy, but sometimes in this life we have to work harder to achieve more.

  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 6:34 PM EDT
FormerSGT

Thank you fed up...I myself, 11 years in the Army and worked the crap jobs slowly but surely and patiently waiting and moving at the right times as well as going to school and getting a degree. It is n't what the friggen Government can give you its what you sacrifice in order to have it pay out in the long run.

    #1.10 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 9:55 PM EDT
    Gingersnaps

    I can agree alittle..retail isn't a career job unless your a store manager or some high executive. I worked at Hecht's for about 4 years. I worked while I was at school and some months after I graduated. A floor manager pulled me aside and told me "this is not a career job". I knew that, but that job was better than no job. I eventually found my career job. People must know that being a cashier at a retail store isn't like how it was back in the day. You can't make a career out of it.

    • 1 vote
    #1.11 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 11:32 AM EDT
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    Axel000

    As if having union representation for Walmart employees would be soooo bad for the employees. Health care ? nope decent pay ? nope

    I hope this backfires on Walmart, the Exxon/mobile of retail.

    • 9 votes
    Reply#2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:41 AM EDT
    dandemacy

    The employees know what they are getting before they agree to take the job, and full-time employees do have insurance. But a union would only make things worse, not better. A union doesn't provide any tangible benefits for their employees, but I can guarantee you that prices at Wal-Mart will be a lot higher if a union does go in.

    The union will demand higher wages, and Wal-Mart will pass those "savings" on to us. I have enough prices going up without "Wally World" doing the same thing because of an anacronism that has outlived its usefulness.

    • 6 votes
    #2.1 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:57 AM EDT
    Florida_kes

    A union doesn't provide any tangible benefits for their employees,

    Oh....like higher wages?

    I have enough prices going up without "Wally World" doing the same thing because of an anacronism

    Perhaps you should buy less crap, but pay a fair price what you do buy and actually need?
    Why...that's an idea!!!

    • 6 votes
    #2.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:39 PM EDT
    FormerSGT

    The Exxon Mobile of retail huh....I guess the news failed to report that Exxon/Mobile also paid 30+ billion in taxes worldwide as well....but that would offset the profit headline.

    • 2 votes
    #2.3 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:57 PM EDT
    Chuck1968

    OMG they paid taxes? you mean like everyone else?

    Walmart uses the crap out of their employees and pays them peanuts. Yet another great example of republican greed.

    • 5 votes
    #2.4 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:15 PM EDT
    Jan-318400

    You need to pull your head out of your ----! Wal-Mart pays very fair the people who may have never had a job or might be handicapped. I have a friend that works there, and she loves it. Says fair wages, good place to work and good benefits. This has nothing to do with the Republicans. You Dems/Liberals just can't handle the fact that many people don't like you or your way of thinking!!!

    • 2 votes
    #2.5 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 3:24 PM EDT
    fedupwithliberals

    I also have a few friends that work there, and they love it too. They said the same thing...decent wages, good benefits, etc. I don't know why so many people seem to think it's the worst employer in the world. My first job was in fast food and I know I worked a lot harder than that greeter at my Wal Mart, and I'm sure my minimum wage salary was much smaller! And there are many small businesses out there that don't offer any sort of medical benefits.

    I recently went to a job fair at Safeway and, lo and behold, they are now starting employees at $9 an hour and NO BENEFITS for the first three years. They can't break the unions, so they're doing what they can to get around them. It won't be long before other chains follow suit (if they haven't already) because they can't afford to pay the high wages and escalating health insurance costs for their workers.

    And by the way, YES, Wal Mart DOES pay taxes, federal and local. So they are contributing to your town's economy. So I will keep buying the things my family needs at prices I can afford, and thank the checker for doing a good job.

    • 2 votes
    #2.6 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
    dandemacy

    Oh....like higher wages?

    Yeah, higher wages that are eaten up by union dues. Not a real benefit in my book.

    Perhaps you should buy less crap, but pay a fair price what you do buy and actually need? Why...that's an idea!!!

    How do you have any idea what I buy and at what price? And how can I pay a fair price if all the companies do what you would apparently like them to do and go union?

    I recently went to a job fair at Safeway and, lo and behold, they are now starting employees at $9 an hour and NO BENEFITS for the first three years. They can't break the unions, so they're doing what they can to get around them.

    There used to be Safeways all over Texas, now there are very few, if any. They asked their employees to take a small pay cut so that they could compete with the other grocery stores. The unionized employees said "No, we don't have to, we are union." So against the will of the employees, Safeway gave them all a pay cut anyway. Only it was 100%, and not the much smaller amount that was proposed.

    None of them could get a job at another store because they made too much more than any other store was offering. How did the union help the THOUSANDS of people without jobs that had paid dues to them for years? They didn't. YEA UNIONS!!!

    • 2 votes
    #2.7 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
    Chuck1968

    I too have a friend that worked for Walmart.
    He cleaned the floors every night for 5 years with 3% pay raises per year. They promoted him to a supervisory position in charge of two stores with one soon to be hired employee..but no pay raise ...just a new title and more work until help arrived. Then Walmart proceeded to search for a "floor technician" over the next year and a half.

    At his employee review he was told he'd get a 3% raise again. He pointed out that he had been working two stores without any more compensation for over a year and no one had been hired. They told him that since he was doing a great job they had decided against bringing anyone else on and that he was "lucky to have a job in the current economic environment."

    • 1 vote
    #2.8 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 6:57 PM EDT
    Chuck1968

    dandemacy says: "There used to be Safeways all over Texas, now there are very few, if any. They asked their employees to take a small pay cut so that they could compete with the other grocery stores. The unionized employees said "No, we don't have to, we are union." So against the will of the employees, Safeway gave them all a pay cut anyway. Only it was 100%, and not the much smaller amount that was proposed."

    Hmmm... I wonder why the top earners of the company want the bottom earners of the company to take a pay cut? How about if they take the pay cut to stay competitive?

    Sounds like a management problem anyway , since they decided to cut pay anyway and still they are going out of business.

    • 2 votes
    #2.9 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 7:08 PM EDT
    FormerSGT

    Chuck1968,

    The scope of responsibility in a corporation is apparently beyond your reach. As for your last comment, they are right, at least he has a job and if that isn't good enough then tell him to put an application in elsewhere and see if they will pay him what he THINKS he deserves. Most companies don't give more than 3% anyway so think a little.

    • 1 vote
    #2.10 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
    fedupwithliberals

    My DH worked at Intel for almost 8 years before getting laid off this spring. He went 3 years with NO RAISE, and a few of the years received only around 2-3%. He also received a promotion, but no raise for almost a year. Other friends in the high-tech business went through the same thing. So it's not just a Wal Mart thing. It's an economic downturn thing.

      #2.11 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 1:49 PM EDT
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      sneilarrealDeleted
      Mystic Chick

      Oh good lord. Corporate America rising up against the Democrats. Here we go again.

      • 8 votes
      Reply#4 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:55 AM EDT
      dandemacy

      I am actually surprised by this move. I would have expected the opposite from Wal-Mart, but I feel their reasons are sound.

      • 3 votes
      #4.1 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:59 AM EDT
      Florida_kes

      I am actually surprised by this move. I would have expected the opposite from Wal-Mart

      What the heck are you basing that opinion on? Walmart has been anti-worker, anti-America for years. (i.e. pro Wall $treet)

      • 6 votes
      #4.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
      wildweasel66-358178

      let's see...how many jobs have unions created? ZERO how many have they caused to leave the country? in your analysis, include support of bacon-davis act (racist as they come), support of extremist environmental and litigation rights, support of extremist "rights" for strikers who commit murder and vandalism...the number is the unions are responsible for the loss of several million jobs. all by their lonesome selves.

      • 2 votes
      #4.3 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:05 PM EDT
      Jessicaf

      My husband is in the pipefitters union UA and they definatly create jobs they have new members to the program every year. They make employers pay employees what they deserve to make. They set what they think that they are worth. My husband has gone to school full time for 5 years and makes a great living and has amazing benefits. His employer has a lot of work and still makes a lot of money with paying his employees great. My husband is not an extremist and does not commit murder or vandalism. He has never been on strike and his union has not been on strike since he got in. I believe most people know little about Unions.

      Who do you want doing the electrical components in your child's school someone who has gone to school for 5 years and is extremely trained and makes more or a person who barely knows the trade and went to school for a year and makes 10-15$ per hour while their employer charges just about the same rate and makes a killing. Who's elevator would you want to be on? How about the train system and the building you are in.

      • 2 votes
      #4.4 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 1:06 AM EDT
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      DANNIE-403140

      I would boycott Walmart if I could over this but I'm 50 miles away from another store. How else can I let them know that they have really stepped over the line on this one?

      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:56 AM EDT
      sneilarrealDeleted
      dandemacy

      I love Wal-Mart. I live equally distant from 2 of them. There is also a Target, and several grocery stores within reasonable distance, so I have choices, and I choose to shop at Wal-Mart most of the time.

      I wouldn't boycott them even if they supported Obama, but I also don't think that corporations should be endorsing political candidates.

      • 5 votes
      #5.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:04 AM EDT
      Mystic Chick

      Support local unions, I would think.

      • 3 votes
      #5.3 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:06 AM EDT
      sneilarrealDeleted
      Florida_kes

      I choose to shop at Wal-Mart most of the time

      Communist China thanks you for your support. Why do you hate your fellow American's so much?

      • 6 votes
      #5.5 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:51 PM EDT
      FormerSGT

      Again keys, with the rising costs of goods and labor, people don't want to pay more for something when they can get it cheaper elsewhere. It is simple economics, if you need a class in it I can point you to a local unversity or community college for a class.

        #5.6 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:00 PM EDT
        wildweasel66-358178

        "I also don't think that corporations should be endorsing political candidates."

        do you also extend that thought process to unions? i bet not. therefore your logic is flawed.

        unions commit hundreds of millions of dollars to elections, but corporations are severely limited in financial contribution. so if they have a managerial meeting and outline the dangers to their jobs a particular candidate poses, where's the harm? (employee free choice act - loss of the private ballot in union elections; license for unions to use assault and battery to coerce workers to vote yes)

        • 1 vote
        #5.7 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
        Chuck1968

        sneilarreal

        If you are serious then don't shop there...this is a society built on capitalism.

        let your money do the talking."

        Why do people continue to believe this nonsense? Most of these businesses would not be where they are today without socialism in the works.
        They use liberal programs all the time and then only detest them when someone else wants to use them to get ahead , just like they did.

        • 2 votes
        #5.8 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:34 PM EDT
        Greatballs

        Chuck if you could explain what you mean about the businesses using socialism and liberal programs, I would appreciate. It might make me look at things differently if you can make me believe it. Thank you.

        • 1 vote
        #5.9 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 2:53 PM EDT
        Chuck1968

        Ok, the definition of corporate welfare is defined as "any federal spending program that provides payments or unique benefits and advantages to specific companies or industries."

        The federal government spent $92 billion in direct and indirect subsidies to businesses and private- sector corporate entities in 2006.

        Boeing, Xerox, IBM, Motorola, Dow Chemical, General Electric have all received millions in taxpayer-funded benefits through programs like the Advanced Technology Program and the Export-Import Bank.

        The oil industry received 3.5 billion dollars in subsidies that oil companies received even though they have record profits.

        The sub prime mortgage crisis, bailing out Bear Stearns, Countrywide, Indymac, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and others with "loans",(who gets a loan as they are becoming insolvent?)

        • 1 vote
        #5.10 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 4:01 PM EDT
        dandemacy

        do you also extend that thought process to unions? i bet not. therefore your logic is flawed.

        Of course I do, why wouldn't I? They are a corporation, therefore they shouldn't be endorsing political candidates. Therefore your ability to read comprehensively is flawed, as is your ability to read my mind. Especially when if you had read other things I have already posted, you would realize that I don't think the unions should exist anymore.

          #5.11 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 7:00 PM EDT
          martvol

          Chuck. I didn't see Wal-mart on your subsidies list. Is there a program Wal-mart uses?

          • 1 vote
          #5.12 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
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          Mike-293323

          Sam Walton wouldn't recognize today the company he founded. Wal-Mart's business practices are immoral and a disgrace.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#6 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
          spike-322306

          Ain't that the truth!

          Sam was a big believer of selling American made goods, and treating his employees fairly.

          His heirs are now akin to the robber-barons of the 19th century.

          • 3 votes
          #6.1 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
          WDRussell

          I sure have to agree with you two. Sam's empire is now run by people who inherited their money and are silly enough to think they earned it.

          • 4 votes
          #6.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:25 PM EDT
          Dusty-375891

          What a misconception, Sam spinning in his grave, what a hoot. Walmart is doing nothing different today then it was when it first opened. This miasconception is spread by people who never did their home work on the subject.

            #6.3 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
            Terry G. Fisher

            Interesting, MIKE. That's exactly what my brother-in-law said. He knew Sam Walton when he opemed his first store. My brother-in-law was a carpet factory rep and called on retailers. He said Sam was a "good ol' boy" and if he were alive today those power mad, greedy thugs that drive Wal-Mart now would be looking for work at K-Mart.

            • 2 votes
            #6.4 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
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            Lauralou

            As a small business owner, if someone tried to bring the union into my business, I'd close up shop. I couldn't afford to pay the kind of salary they demand.

            I used to live in NE Ohio and the unions effectively closed out many plants with their constant demands.
            My brother got married in 1966 and his wife worked in a union plant. She was paid $300.00 per week and could take six weeks maternity leave. This was 1966! Of course, the place is now closed.

            I worked for a large hospital chain and they agreed (were forced) to allow the union to recruit in three hospitals in our division. One let them in and within a year, they voted the union out. They did nothing for the nurses.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#7 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:04 AM EDT
            Florida_kes

            "She was paid $300.00 per week and could take six weeks maternity leave. "

            Those bastards! How dare they treat a lowly worker like a human being!

            And I bet the reason they went out of business has nothing to do with inept managment, right?

            • 3 votes
            #7.1 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
            toastee

            Maybe.. but when there is always a constant in the equation.. you have to begin to see that maybe it's you (unions) to blame for the failure. Not who you perciev as the culpret when they are not in both equations. Geez 300 a week in 1966.. what would 300 a week be in 1966 money vs 2008 money? I think the point he was trying to make, was that she was being paid higher than the work warranted for the time. Come on.. minimum wage in 1991 was 4.25 an hour...by your logic, minumum wage should have been raised to 12 dollars an hour for an entry cashier level position at that time.

            I have old commercials taped from that time.. new mustangs cost 8 grand then.. minimum wage was hardly a substandard pay back then for goods at that time... I would hardly cvall it sub-human.

            Once again, a lib who thinks people should be paid higher for doing less work or less important demanding work...what would you pay for people to cut your front lawn? 20 bucks for doing it.. or would you pay them 300 dollars because anything less would not be treating people like human beings.

              #7.2 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 1:56 AM EDT
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              hereticheart

              I moved to a small town for a few years in 2003 in western Colorado. During that time, a Wal Mart moved into the town amidst great division among the 5 small towns in this already poor county. Within one year, all the businesses on main street (which had gotten a block grant in the 90's for renewal) either closed or moved except a couple that had products not produced by Wal Mart--ok, a Mexican restaurant and a specialty jewelry store. Families that comprised the backbone of the county had run and owned these stores. The nearest WalMart was about 18 miles away in another town in another county--about a 25 minute drive on the freeway--how hard is that?

              All so that the people could have another Wal Mart. Immigrants and old people work there. Nobody I knew worked there. Slave labor. Yes we all pay. Not only in the health of our local and therfore national economies. We pay for it with the slow strangulation death of small towns, small business, small anything, specialty anything. We pay for it by the fact that indirectly we are now supporting China, Bangladesh and the Wal Mart family. How's that for ethics?

              Is it worth the $4.00 prescription? Obama's health care plan--which we desperately need in this country would not cost you more in prescriptions --nor for the next person, the one working at Wal Mart.

              • 5 votes
              Reply#8 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
              sneilarrealDeleted
              dandemacy

              I would have to agree that Wal-Mart going into an area isn't always the best thing for the area. My mother-in-law grew up in Calvert, TX, where there were a lot of small businesses run by local families. Wal-Mart came in, undercut their prices, and they all closed down. Some of the lower class local people were stealing from Wal-Mart, and they couldn't deal with the losses, especially since many of their employees were aiding in the thefts. They closed their doors, and Calvert hasn't recovered.

              This all had to have happened over 10 years ago because I have been with my wife for 10 years, and it hasn't been there in that amount of time.

              • 5 votes
              #8.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
              dandemacy

              Obama's health care plan--which we desperately need in this country would not cost you more in prescriptions

              Maybe not, but it would cost you a TON more in taxes. What a GREAT trade off!

              • 7 votes
              #8.3 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
              sneilarrealDeleted
              Florida_kes

              If a shop closes because another business moves in ...that's called capitalism.

              It's out of control American style capitalism. *uck everyone but the top 2%.

              It gives us freedom of choice..like it or not that is the way it is.

              Where did you get these talking points? By Walmart closing everyone else down, that TOOK AWAY CHOICES.

              If a business moves into my neighborhood and they cam sale me my favorite widget for less...I am going to buy it. If my favorite store wants to match that price I will continue to shop there as I believe the majority of people would.

              Thank you Comrade Sneilarreal!

              Walmart has buying power which helps to reduce their price and they pass it on to the consumer.
              The consumer can then compare and make a choice...either shop at the mom and pop or the new store with lower prices.

              The choice is up to the consumer and the consumer alone drives the market.

              Why do I have a feeling that you have no real world experince on the subject?

              It might seem cold but it is the way capitalism works.

              And thank God that this non-sense is soon coming to an end.

                #8.5 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
                Chuck1968

                If a shop closes because another business moves in ...that's called capitalism.

                It gives us freedom of choice..like it or not that is the way it is.

                What? You are just lost. Read up on why the anti trust law were created. Had they not been created Walmart probably wouldn't exist today.

                  #8.6 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
                  Terry G. Fisher

                  Hereticheart, your comment should be carved on the walls of ALL Wal-Mart stores. Here is another impact people have forgotten. Privately owned local newspapers, not beholden to high mucky-mucky politicians, who observed and reported on small town, small county America, were dependent upon advertising from local family businesses. When Wal-Mart ran roughshod over those people and closed them down the newspapers lost their advertising revenue. Then they died. A vital part of Americana gone forever. Wiped out by what Teddy Roosevelt warned American against long ago, unfettered capitalism. Or less politely, greed rum amok. Wal-Mart left a lot of empty shells where parts of America used to be. And not by accident. Think about that the next time you save $1.98 by going to the bullies that wiped out mom and pop.

                    #8.7 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
                    Gingersnaps

                    I don't think the Walmart in that town in Texas closed because people were stealing. They probably was about to reap the benefits of property taxes which led to Walmart closing it's doors. It happened in another town. When the town was about to gain on property taxes, Walmart moved to the next town.

                      #8.8 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 1:56 PM EDT
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                      Col. Roger L. Cooper USAF-Ret

                      Agree with Wal-Mart and store managers. They provide service, good prices and jobs to public. Unions take it away for personal power and political leverage.

                        Reply#9 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:08 AM EDT
                        dumasrl

                        You are correct that WalMart offers products at lower prices, but at what cost? You benefit from those low prices, but others pay for them. You are right, people choose to work at WalMart and no one made them work there...In many cases people work for WalMart, because it is the only job they can find. In many towns accross america it is one of the only places to work. WalMart encourages its employees to get on Medicare by offering medical benefits at prices that are way too expensive for any employee making the minimum wage. They can fix that problem, by paying a higher percent of permium cost...but they don't. You pay for that through your taxes. Their HR offices have fliers and information for their employees that cover food stamps, wick, wellfare and other government assisted programs. Where else in America can you go to work and the employer has such fliers and information encouraging its employees to get on government assistance. They rather have you the tax payer pay for the benefits their employees. Think about that, the next time you are pay $4 for you prescription.

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#10 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:09 AM EDT
                        sneilarrealDeleted
                        dandemacy

                        Where else in America can you go to work and the employer has such fliers and information encouraging its employees to get on government assistance.

                        This is why I thought they would have supported Obama.

                        • 4 votes
                        #10.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:21 AM EDT
                        dumasrl

                        Sneilarreal...

                        I only pay $3 for my prescriptions...name brands...and I don't have to get them at WalMart. That's because my employer offers great medical benefits.

                        The point is, WalMart makes Billions a year. They can afford to pay their employees more and offer them better benfits. They can do this without raising prices, but they choose not to.

                        • 2 votes
                        #10.3 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:42 AM EDT
                        lilegend

                        Very true dumasri - granted not everyone has the opportunity to land a job with great benefits but as you said, Walmart makes billions of dollars and is stingy with it. They could very well offer health benefits to their employees especially as many elderly people they have working there.

                        • 1 vote
                        #10.4 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
                        rhino39

                        Not that I'm a big Walmart fan. There are many things about them I don't like, and in fact I make it a point to shop anywhere but there but I felt it was important to mention that they are not rolling in the cash as much as you think. Walmarts does generate about 365 billion dollars a year in sales but they only run on about 2% margin. So at the end of the year the biggest company in the world only puts about 8 to 9 billion in the bank. (disclaimer: these number are educated gueses based on my understanding of their business model I have not done a ton of research).

                        Statistically speaking, this is not a huge amount of money given the size of their company. It has been mentioned previously that for many people, Walmart is the only place they can get a job. Rather than look at that as a negative, think of it this way. Walmart is providing jobs to 1.7 million people world wide that, depending on the country, would either be on wellfare, or would just starve to death. In that regard Walmart should be applauded.

                        As to unions; There used to be a terrific need for unions but over the last few decades unions have gone from protecting the worker to screwing the consumer so Walmart is right to fight them.

                          #10.5 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
                          sneilarrealDeleted
                          4awareness

                          Sneilarreal...

                          Have you thought of the long term repercussions...perhaps the impact later on down the road Wal-Mart will have upon society if they continue with their current practices. Disintegration of jobs, low pay, little or no benefits. They are the largest employer in the world. You would think they could do better for their employee's. You must love the thought of a two-tier society.

                            #10.7 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
                            Terry G. Fisher

                            What you seem to be overlooking, SNEILARREAL, is the drug companies could have been selling you those drugs for $4.00 years ago. They were in a much better position to do it than Wal-Mart. But they kept on price gouging and YOUR government stood on the sidelines and cheered. We never needed a Wal-Mart. Just a government with enough sense of responsibility to rein in rampant greed.

                              #10.8 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 6:57 PM EDT
                              Crystal-316796

                              Have you thought of the long term repercussions...perhaps the impact later on down the road Wal-Mart will have upon society if they continue with their current practices.

                              Like a standard of living for low income people that was only a dream before Walmart? Or jobs that offer an opportunity for advancement? When the minimum wage was 5.25 Walmart paid 8 for an entry level job. Now they start at 9. Plus benefits. Many people in management positions began as cart jockies. They hire handicapped people who nobody else will hire. How many other retail stores do you see with people in wheelchairs working?

                              Walmart sells regional items from local suppliers. They provide scholarships and are involved in local community activities. They are a large contributor to the Children's Miracle Network as well as other charities.

                              Before Walmart I bought my family's clothing and a lot of other things at rummage sales and thrift stores. After Walmart I was able to buy them new things. I was not shopping at the mom and pop store before because I couldn't afford their prices. Walmart did not run them out, they priced themselves out.

                              Walmart has done more for low income people than any other retail store and it is my experience that those who complain about them the loudest are those who are envious of their success. They complain about a successful business instead of getting off their duff and doing something so they too can be successful. I applaud anyone who goes out and starts a business and becomes successful. The more money they make the better. If they offer products that I need at a price I can and will pay I will shop their. If not I will shop elsewhere. It is called freedom to choose where my money is spent.

                                #10.9 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
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                                Mike-293323

                                For all you Wal-Mart lovers, remember they are China's biggest customer. It's about American jobs not just the fact you get to pay less for your your toothpaste and milk. When Wal-Mart moves in and eliminates your local businesses then it's not about choosing to work there......it's working there because there is no other choice! Choose a store with a social conscience.....COSTCO!

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                                Reply#11 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
                                sneilarrealDeleted
                                dumasrl

                                sneilarreal,

                                I cannot argue with you on your finances. I do agree that walmart fits into most americans budgets. They purposly created this delimma. It was by no accident that walmart is the only store around for a lot of small towns. There was a time when there were Mom & Pop stores that could regulate pricing through competition, but walmart put an end to all of that.

                                  #11.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:50 AM EDT
                                  Chuck1968

                                  The problem with capitalism is it puts profits before people.

                                    #11.3 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
                                    happy-

                                    Chuck,
                                    All business is there to make money.
                                    It is not a social program.
                                    People need to be responsible for their own lives.

                                    That doesn't mean I support the deficit with china because they feature items made by practically slave labor.
                                    We would have more employer abuse without unions.
                                    Unions should be reasonable however.
                                    They hurt the steel and auto industry in my opinion.

                                      #11.4 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 2:21 PM EDT
                                      Jesus-307403Deleted
                                      Chuck1968

                                      happy:Chuck,

                                      All business is there to make money."

                                      Yes I'll agree with you there. The real question is then, what is the purpose in making money? Why even bother if it's just about profits?

                                      It's about people. It's about creating a society_— people that work together for the common good as well as for our individual families.
                                      We can be the United States or take what we can for ourselves and live in Pottersville's all over the country.

                                      What I find most interesting is how these businesses love to be protected by regulation but they can't stand it when those regulations help out the consumer or possible other competitor. So they keep pushing the "this country was built on capitalism" BS.

                                      If they wanted a truly "free market" then they wouldn't mind getting rid of such regulation as copyrights, patents, trademarks, mineral rights etc etc. They keep @!$%#ing about the black market for their goods...why should we care? that's real capitalism and real competition.

                                      What they really want is the laws to benefit them until they've reached their "success" and then make the very regulations that helped them achieve this success obsolete for anyone else.

                                        #11.6 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 3:09 PM EDT
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                                        hereticheart

                                        Wal Mart. I never have shopped there. Never will. Anywhere.

                                        They are the equivalent of Robber Barrons 2.0.

                                        Social Democracy--that is to say, democracy with capitalism but with regulations for them and social net programs for the people who are governed (i.e. citizens) who need them when they need them. It is a working kind of government and certainly more to be desired than Universal WalMart, Inc.

                                        I do not understand American's selfishness and unreasonable fear of social democracy.

                                        • 3 votes
                                        Reply#12 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
                                        dandemacy

                                        Social democracy = socialism

                                        I don't want government telling businesses what to do or how to do it. The government has enough difficulty running itself without trying to run everything else as well. Also, when you start all these social programs, you have to have people watching over them. You start passing laws about how businesses should operate, and you need people to monitor the businesses. This just leads to higher taxes, and less efficient businesses.

                                        Businesses should be allowed to be governed by the laws of capitalism, and nothing else. With all the laws that are currently in place, as well as the will of the American people being what it is, I think the markets would do well in regulating themselves (AKA: regulated by the consumers).

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #12.1 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:41 AM EDT
                                        Chuck1968

                                        Businesses should be allowed to be governed by the laws of capitalism, and nothing else. With all the laws that are currently in place, as well as the will of the American people being what it is, I think the markets would do well in regulating themselves (AKA: regulated by the consumers)

                                        If you really believe this you need your head examined. Read a history book.

                                          #12.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:52 PM EDT
                                          dandemacy

                                          I have read history books, and the fact is that NEVER has a truly capitalistic system of business ever been attempted. Government ALWAYS sticks its nose where it doesn't belong. If all the rules and laws and everything were removed, there would be a period of upheaval, and in 5 years, 10 at worst, things would calm down, and EVERYONE would benefit.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #12.3 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
                                          Chuck1968

                                          No there never has been a purely capitalistic economy--and thank God for that! I'm glad that there were enough people who could read the writing on the wall -- otherwise you wouldn't be guaranteed the same wages you make now, that could change daily. Oh and you can forget about that forty hour work week or over time pay.

                                          "If all the rules and laws and everything were removed, there would be a period of upheaval, and in 5 years, 10 at worst, things would calm down, and EVERYONE would benefit."

                                          All the rules, huh?
                                          So Coca Cola can stick their trade secret up the ol wazoo..and I can practice medicine and lie about having any credentials. Use my money to keep you from opening up a business, make my employees do dangerous things with no safety precautions ...'cause dammit safety costs MONEY!.and so on and so on.

                                          Yeah that sounds like a great idea!

                                            #12.4 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 4:18 PM EDT
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                                            Mary-325026

                                            What? You think Wal-Mart is a charity organization? They are a corporation. This move has nothing to due with unions. I has to do with corporate TAXES. They don't want to pay them.
                                            Honestly, would any of you allow your employer to try force you to vote their way?
                                            I hope not! If so, you are truly lambs to the slaughter. A republican vote is a vote for more taxes on you and less for them.
                                            Thankfully, your vote is secret. Say what you have to to keep your job but vote Obama to keep your freedom.

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                                            Reply#13 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:12 AM EDT
                                            dandemacy

                                            Actually, lowering the taxes for the richest 1% has increased revenue time and time again. Look at Reagan, look at G. W. Bush. But I believe that a nice flat tax would be the best thing for this country. You earn $1, you pay $0.10 in taxes. No deductions (except for operating expenses for businesses) no exceptions (except for the possibility for people who make less than $10K or $20K a year, but even then, they should have to do their fair share as well).

                                            Honestly, would any of you allow your employer to try force you to vote their way?

                                            Where in the article did it say that anyone was trying to force anyone to vote a certain way?

                                            A republican vote is a vote for more taxes on you and less for them.

                                            You can't truly believe this when Obama has specifically stated that he was going to raise taxes on all the rich ($30K/year) people?

                                            vote Obama to keep your freedom.

                                            I don't even know where to begin to show how wrong this is.

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #13.1 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:48 AM EDT
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                                            ma54

                                            Most posters on here don't have a clue about organized labor. Union Workers on average receive 3% pay increase yearly. The benefit package is what the company and the Union NEGOTIATE. I think you'll be embarrassed if you read the benefit limits of this so-called healthcare wallyworld provides. Unions can't demand anything. It's called negotiation for you kool-aid drinkers that can't or won't understand. Whats wrong with job security. This mentality is what has sent your jobs to mexico and china. It's called "THE RACE TO THE BOTTOM"

                                            • 1 vote
                                            Reply#14 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:15 AM EDT
                                            Greatballs

                                            Yes its a negotiation. I worked hard in school, kept my nose clean so I could get a decent job. Now the dum terd who smoked pot everyday behind the library instead of going to class gets the union to tell me I have to go on strike pay and tell my family we dont get a vacation this year, the kids get to recycle last years school clothes and we can tighten our belts to put the screws to the company so dum terd can make as much money as I do. Thats the negotiation.

                                            And when THE MAN get tired of fighting the unions and the gov while trying to compete with crappy goods coming in from overseas sweatshops he can close up his shop in USA and move his company overseas. Thats the negotiation.

                                            How about letting me do a good job so I can go to the boss and present my case for a merit raise FOR ME! How about letting me compete for the promotion on equal footing, not having to worry I wont get the promo because Im white and there aren't enough minorities getting promoted. Instead I get to wonder when I'll hear "Meet dum terd, your new supervisor".

                                            THERES YOUR RACE TO THE BOTTOM!

                                            I despise Walmart. But if my union can "recommend" voting for Obama and the socialist gang, why can't Walmart state to its employees the repubs provide the best option for them?

                                            • 5 votes
                                            #14.1 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:38 PM EDT
                                            FormerSGT

                                            Ma,

                                            You need a lesson in economics as well....granted, in the 50's Unions might have been benificial, at this point they demand quite a bit. I will give you an example, a friend worked at a plant in Detroit and was hurt in the process, not only did he get paid while he was out (regular pay) but when he returned his job had been given to someone else. Rather than take another job that was offered in the company he stayed home and due to the unions, HE HAD TO GET PAID his reular pay for the rest of his life....while not working. All this was negotiated through the union he was a part of. That is why the jobs are going to Mexico, that with NAFTA make it extremely cheap to produce vehicles and still make a profit. When an employer has a bad year it is wise not to give a raise but explain that he can't due to the economy. Having a job with the same pay is better than no job at all because the business fails.
                                            Unions are the stinky crotch of the businesses today, always asking for more because they can. Wal-mart was correct in getting rid of all their butchers, they wanted to unionize and Walmart said, fine if we can't offer our customers a price for meat that is cheap with the butchers than we will have meat without them and just get them prepackaged. Unions get strong enough to a point that they start to dictate what the business should do when the business is making the decisions that are the best. That would most likely be.......................... A PROFIT, good God, what the heck are they thinking.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #14.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 2:51 PM EDT
                                            Liz-354150

                                            Greatballs,

                                            Unions don't tell workers to do anything! It's the workers who negotiate a contract, not the Unions. I worked at a furniture hardware manufacturing company for 25 years. We tried numerous times to vote the UAW in but to no avail :( In 1983 I made $14.00 an hour on piece work busting my a** every day. By 2002 my wages had been reduced by $5.00 an hour, my benefits were crap, the company took away half my vacation and stopped contributing to my 401K. The company knew the workers were too scared to vote a Union in and they had us over a barrel. In 2005 my job was shipped off to China where they pay workers $0.50 an hour. I guess if I worked for $0.50 an hour I could keep my job and crappy benefits? ummmm NO!

                                            Getting back to Wally-World...I've known for years how they treat their employees and I for one won't shop there I'll pay my local Meijer store and their Union workers a few pennies more just to make my point and feel good in doing so!

                                            BTW...Thanks to the taxpayers of the USA, the government paid for me to go to college after I lost my factory job. I graduated with a 4.0 GPA and work at a plasma donation center. People will do just about anything for a few extra bucks these days.

                                            VOTE REPUBLICAN...keep the economy in the sh*ter and save my job LOL

                                              #14.3 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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                                              mar-350605

                                              I am afraid, Walmart has the big bad Bogey man after them and he is going to unionize us? unions get into a place because the employees are not treated right. If walmart has anything to fear it is themselves. Unions will go after companies when they know if the employees are being treated badly. it really doesn't matter who the president is!

                                              • 2 votes
                                              Reply#15 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:15 AM EDT
                                              Pareason

                                              "Unions get into place because the employees are not treated right." If this is true, then the Democrats who control government throughout this country have a lot of explaining to do to the heavily unionized government work force. There is a place for unions but they are not for the general welfare of labor. By definition, unions protect their members against competition from ohter labor whether domestic or foreign. Unions frequently go too far as they did with steel in the 1970s and may have done with GM, Ford, and Chrysler more recently. One statement in the article really needs to be addressed. The article states "proposed legislation called the Employee Free Choice Act, which would make it easier for workers to unionize by signing a card rather than holding a vote." This is a highly slanted view of the Employee Free Choice Act. The Act really makes it easier for union organizers to pressure workers to sign cards supporting the union instead of allowing workers to vote their private conscience anonymously in the voting booth. Unions do a lot of good but they are not pure and businesses are not always the bad guy. The Employee Free Choice Act is a bad idea.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #15.1 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
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                                              Darkwood

                                              Obviously Wal-Mart is afraid they will not have as much influence over Obama as they would over McCain. Most Americans see special interests as a huge problem in our government. Obama has said that he would reduce special interests' influence in Washington. Perhaps Wal-Mart trembles in its boots (Aisle B, made in China).

                                              • 2 votes
                                              Reply#16 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:16 AM EDT
                                              FormerSGT

                                              Get a grip Dark, anyone that has a business wants to do anything that would make their business a success. Just because most Americans are not saavy enough to make it happen breeds jealousy. (WHINE) They have more then me and I can't get to the top because I keep getting kicked down.

                                              If speacial interests are the case then explain to me why the Democrats are in the enviornmental gorups back pocket. They can't fart without all the Dems going into an uproar over it. I would love to see more American made products, but most Americans will not work for less then 15.00 an hour as a laborer, so, if I can pay 5 dollars an hour instead of 15 dollars and hour, I would take the 5 dollars myself. It doesn't take a brain scientist that the economics and most Americans need to have everything they want has put us in the situation we are in and a large amount of unions are the bridge that led us there.

                                                #16.1 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 2:57 PM EDT
                                                Darkwood

                                                Sarge, the profit motive is well understood by all and need not be explained to us. It is not in itself a glorious and honorable thing. It is the driving force behind the actions of the petty thief as well as organized crime. If one is on a quest for profits it does not excuse one from being ethical. It is one thing to make laws to preserve the environment and quite another to make laws to shift the playing field in your favor to eliminate your competition and to make more and more money. If you think that a corporation deserves the same consideration as the environment you should spend your next vacation at Wal-Mart.

                                                  #16.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 4:31 PM EDT
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                                                  Ken Pac NW

                                                  Yet another reason that I will never, ever support or shop at a Wal-Mart store. Operated by one of America's richest families, the abuse of it's workers and the small towns Wal-Mart occupies bespeak the callousness of the corporate mentality.

                                                  How many U.S. "Main Streets" have been destroyed by Wal-Mart? This organization has lost law suits filed by workers forced to work overtime without pay and now they are pressuring managers to spread the word to vote Republican because WM fears the power of unions and their ability to push employers to fairly compensate its workers.

                                                  Touted as an "All-American" company, you'll find precious few American made goods on its shelves. They instead opt to buy Chinese sweat-shop products, pay employees as little as possibe and destroy the heart of small towns. Billions of U.S. dollars are sent to China for cheap goods, making it even more difficult for U.S. manufactures to compete, resulting ultimately in fewer American jobs. The profits are then siphoned out of the local area and sent back to Arkansas.

                                                  The fact that Wal-Mart is pro GOP says something about the Republican party as well. A lot of people have been duped into believing that deregulation is the ultimate god-send for business in America. But if you give it some objective thought, don't you want your meat inspected, your prescriptions safe and toys without lead? Without regulation we get Enron and others of that ilk, where the only objective is maximum profits and minimum cost, regardless of the damage. Wal-Mart is no different in this respect.

                                                  Regulation could have helped with the recent samonella outbreak. Regulations requiring 'source of origin' for produce was defeated by lobbyists for the grocery industry. Had those laws been in place, we would have been able to identify the source of the most recent outbreak without speculating for months as to where and what product contained the bacteria.

                                                  Republicans have made it clear that they are 'pro-business' but in the process, they have unintentionally become 'anti-comsumer'. Corporations are by law, not bound to social responsibility, only by quarterly profits.

                                                  To think that the Democrats will make sweeping reforms is folly as well. As long as policy is dictated from K street, nothing will really change and the playing field will never be level.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  Reply#17 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:16 AM EDT
                                                  WyomingGal

                                                  Well said!

                                                    #17.1 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 1:40 PM EDT
                                                    FormerSGT

                                                    We as American's cannot control the rest of the world's workforce unless you are so ARROGANT like Obama to believe that the world has been waiting for someone like hiom to come along. Take a look at your own backyard and it's demand for high labor wages, thats the problem with the economy today. Unions are an unnecessary evil.

                                                      #17.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 3:00 PM EDT
                                                      fedupwithliberals

                                                      Have you looked at labels at your local Target, KMart, etc. lately? How many of THEIR items were made in the Good Ole USA? By the way, they pay substantially higher than minimum wage to start, unlike many ENTRY LEVEL JOBS. Safeway is now only offering $8-$9 to start, with no benefits for the first three years. Uh Oh...I'd better stop shopping at Safeway! Oh, and McDonalds? Minimum wage and no benefits...I'll have to tell my 3-yr. old he can't have any more Happy Meals.

                                                      Where does it stop? Who decides what's fair? Wal Mart is the success it is because Sam Walton understood business and built a successful empire by meeting the needs of customers that other big retailers ignored.

                                                      By the way, many "main streets" in our country are being revitalized. Home Depot opened up, and the mom & pop hardware store became a restaurant. Target opened up and the dime store became a high-end boutique. I realize this isn't the case everywhere, but it's how capitalism works.

                                                        #17.3 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 2:39 PM EDT
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                                                        Dr. D

                                                        If Unions enter Wal-mart, it wont be prices dropping it will be jobs, thats just the way it is.

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                                                        Reply#18 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:19 AM EDT
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                                                        Cynthia Sue Timko

                                                        If Exxon mobil pulled something like this, I suspect the uproar from Congress would be thunderous. It would be from here. Hope Obama latches on to this, not to mention the unions. Here is another case of trying to scare people into voting against their best interests, As for their RX program ($4/month or $10/3 months) I am on disability because of a neuro-muscular condition of unknown origin and take * RX's. None is on their list and a couple are pretty commonly prescribed. I have a friend with several medical problems for which she takes three RX's. The two cheapest she can get cheaply at Wal-Mart. The third will cost her at least $80/month. It is also a very common RX. I f we worked for Wal-Mart, neither of us could afford our RX's.

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                                                        Reply#20 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:20 AM EDT
                                                        UncleRoy

                                                        Wouldn't buy paper clips at Wal-Mart let alone anything else. hereticheart (post above) has it right.

                                                        Move into town w/low prices; Mom & Pop stores can't compete and close, Wal-Mart raises prices since there is NO competition anymore.
                                                        Besides that they don't carry things that don't make money; yea I know about all the capitalism crap, but here's a particular case . The town in New England where I used to live had 2 -3 Fabric stores (my wife sews alot).
                                                        Wal-Mart moved in WITH a fabric department; you can guess what happened next. All the fabric stores closed, then Wal_Mart closed it's fabric dept. since no one liked the selection compared to the former multiple fabric stores.
                                                        End result; NO place to purchase fabric & sewing stuff in the entire town.

                                                        I hope Wal_Mart dies a horrible corporate death!!!!!

                                                        I'll gladly pay more to people who have local businesses and live next door vs. allowing some Ms. Walton (something) to purchase more art teasures for her 15 homes.

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        Reply#21 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:23 AM EDT
                                                        sneilarrealDeleted
                                                        FormerSGT

                                                        Well genious here is an idea, get a business model together and open a fabric store, since there isn't any compitition in the area you should be able to make a very good profit. Then your employee's can get a union and demand higher wages for you so that way you as well have to close your doors because your operating expenses have exceeded your gross margin.

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                                                        #21.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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                                                        John in Oregon

                                                        Why don't we just use the "card check" tactic for the November election. We could save a lot of money and have Obamaniacs "help" voters fill out the cards or tell them them this is just so you get more information, like some union people do when using them instead of a vote to unionize.

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                                                        Reply#22 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:24 AM EDT
                                                        Darkwood

                                                        Fear of Unions is not the reason for Wal-Mart's propaganda against Obama. The fact that this is the voiced reason should make it automatically suspect. It is typical corporate subterfuge. Fear of not owning the person in power is the reason they are against Obama.

                                                        • 2 votes
                                                        Reply#23 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:25 AM EDT
                                                        dumasrl

                                                        You are right. If Hillary were the Democartic candidate, they never would have done this. She served on their board for years.

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                                                        #23.1 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:31 AM EDT
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                                                        Changeinthemidst

                                                        With this said, I will no longer shop at China-Mart. By shopping here my dollars having been going to the Republican party (who support outsourcing) and to China for too long. Nice doing business with ya!

                                                        • 1 vote
                                                        Reply#24 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:31 AM EDT
                                                        JoJo-362265

                                                        Do any of you own a company? Do you have any experience in payroll taxes? Or, in payroll/benefits in general? It's so easy to spend somebody else's money.

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                                                        Reply#25 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:38 AM EDT
                                                        Darkwood

                                                        Do any of you own a senator, a congressman, a president? Wal-Mart owns several.

                                                          #25.1 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:47 AM EDT
                                                          Amy-368755

                                                          And it's so easy to buy and matching BMW's and vacation homes while your employees are denied cost of living raises. You're the typical greedy out for yourself non-American who would be happy to sell the stars and strips as long as it put more money in your pocket.

                                                          • 1 vote
                                                          #25.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:47 AM EDT
                                                          JoJo-362265

                                                          Amy, so the answer is no. You shouldn't talk about the things you don't know anything about. First you run a company, for years...then lets talk.

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                                                          #25.3 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
                                                          Mike-293323

                                                          JoJo,
                                                          Regarding your response to my comment below. Yes I have a clue. I'm the Finance Director for a sole proprietorship with only 35 employees. Our owner offers competitive salaries, full health and disability coverage, and a 401k with employer match. Everyone has been working here a VERY long time because we are treated with respect and compensated fairly. Yes these types of companies still do exist in America when owners aren't greedy and take care of business!

                                                            #25.4 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
                                                            Greatballs

                                                            Darkwood, who are these senators et al owned by Walmart? I really would like to know. Because if cant name names and why you claimed they are owned, it says alot about you. And not good stuff. Help yourself out here.

                                                              #25.5 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
                                                              Realitybound

                                                              Well Greatballs do you ever watch your Senators? Senator Lugar made a passionate plea for bringing Wal-Mart to India. I imagine Americans need to subsidize this some how.

                                                                #25.6 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 7:49 PM EDT
                                                                fedupwithliberals

                                                                Mike, how many of the jobs in your company are entry level, unskilled jobs? And does your company pick up the entire tab for employees' healthcare? And how does the owner pay for all those perks? Does he increase what he charges to clients/customers? What's his profit margin like?

                                                                It's not quite apples-to-apples.

                                                                  #25.7 - Tue Aug 5, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
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                                                                  Darkwood

                                                                  Unionization is a lightning rod non-issue and bringing it up is typical of Rovian political tactics. Nobody is talking about unionization, especially in the old Confederacy, corporate home of Wal-Mart. Nobody is talking about unionization except Wal-Mart. Head Fakes, Aisle H, made in Bentonville.

                                                                    Reply#26 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:39 AM EDT
                                                                    jarcher114

                                                                    Another example of "fear tactics" to persuade the American voter.

                                                                      Reply#27 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:43 AM EDT
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